<p>All that, Socrates, is excellent; but I should like to put a question to
you: Ought there not to be good physicians in a State, and are not the
best those who have treated the greatest number of constitutions good and
bad? and are not the best judges in like manner those who are acquainted
with all sorts of moral natures?</p>
<p>Yes, I said, I too would have good judges and good physicians. But do you
know whom I think good?</p>
<p>Will you tell me?</p>
<p>I will, if I can. Let me however note that in the same question you join
two things which are not the same.</p>
<p>How so? he asked.</p>
<p>Why, I said, you join physicians and judges. Now the most skilful
physicians are those who, from their youth upwards, have combined with the
knowledge of their art the greatest experience of disease; they had better
not be robust in health, and should have had all manner of diseases in
their own persons. For the body, as I conceive, is not the instrument with
which they cure the body; in that case we could not allow them ever to be
or to have been sickly; but they cure the body with the mind, and the mind
which has become and is sick can cure nothing.</p>
<p>That is very true, he said.</p>
<p>But with the judge it is otherwise; since he governs mind by mind; he
ought not therefore to have been trained among vicious minds, and to have
associated with them from youth upwards, and to have gone through the
whole calendar of crime, only in order that he may quickly infer the
crimes of others as he might their bodily diseases from his own
self-consciousness; the honourable mind which is to form a healthy
judgment should have had no experience or contamination of evil habits
when young. And this is the reason why in youth good men often appear to
be simple, and are easily practised upon by the dishonest, because they
have no examples of what evil is in their own souls.</p>
<p>Yes, he said, they are far too apt to be deceived.</p>
<p>Therefore, I said, the judge should not be young; he should have learned
to know evil, not from his own soul, but from late and long observation of
the nature of evil in others: knowledge should be his guide, not personal
experience.</p>
<p>Yes, he said, that is the ideal of a judge.</p>
<p>Yes, I replied, and he will be a good man (which is my answer to your
question); for he is good who has a good soul. But the cunning and
suspicious nature of which we spoke,—he who has committed many
crimes, and fancies himself to be a master in wickedness, when he is
amongst his fellows, is wonderful in the precautions which he takes,
because he judges of them by himself: but when he gets into the company of
men of virtue, who have the experience of age, he appears to be a fool
again, owing to his unseasonable suspicions; he cannot recognise an honest
man, because he has no pattern of honesty in himself; at the same time, as
the bad are more numerous than the good, and he meets with them oftener,
he thinks himself, and is by others thought to be, rather wise than
foolish.</p>
<p>Most true, he said.</p>
<p>Then the good and wise judge whom we are seeking is not this man, but the
other; for vice cannot know virtue too, but a virtuous nature, educated by
time, will acquire a knowledge both of virtue and vice: the virtuous, and
not the vicious, man has wisdom—in my opinion.</p>
<p>And in mine also.</p>
<p>This is the sort of medicine, and this is the sort of law, which you will
sanction in your state. They will minister to better natures, giving
health both of soul and of body; but those who are diseased in their
bodies they will leave to die, and the corrupt and incurable souls they
will put an end to themselves.</p>
<p>That is clearly the best thing both for the patients and for the State.</p>
<p>And thus our youth, having been educated only in that simple music which,
as we said, inspires temperance, will be reluctant to go to law.</p>
<p>Clearly.</p>
<p>And the musician, who, keeping to the same track, is content to practise
the simple gymnastic, will have nothing to do with medicine unless in some
extreme case.</p>
<p>That I quite believe.</p>
<p>The very exercises and tolls which he undergoes are intended to stimulate
the spirited element of his nature, and not to increase his strength; he
will not, like common athletes, use exercise and regimen to develope his
muscles.</p>
<p>Very right, he said.</p>
<p>Neither are the two arts of music and gymnastic really designed, as is
often supposed, the one for the training of the soul, the other for the
training of the body.</p>
<p>What then is the real object of them?</p>
<p>I believe, I said, that the teachers of both have in view chiefly the
improvement of the soul.</p>
<p>How can that be? he asked.</p>
<p>Did you never observe, I said, the effect on the mind itself of exclusive
devotion to gymnastic, or the opposite effect of an exclusive devotion to
music?</p>
<p>In what way shown? he said.</p>
<p>The one producing a temper of hardness and ferocity, the other of softness
and effeminacy, I replied.</p>
<p>Yes, he said, I am quite aware that the mere athlete becomes too much of a
savage, and that the mere musician is melted and softened beyond what is
good for him.</p>
<p>Yet surely, I said, this ferocity only comes from spirit, which, if
rightly educated, would give courage, but, if too much intensified, is
liable to become hard and brutal.</p>
<p>That I quite think.</p>
<p>On the other hand the philosopher will have the quality of gentleness. And
this also, when too much indulged, will turn to softness, but, if educated
rightly, will be gentle and moderate.</p>
<p>True.</p>
<p>And in our opinion the guardians ought to have both these qualities?</p>
<p>Assuredly.</p>
<p>And both should be in harmony?</p>
<p>Beyond question.</p>
<p>And the harmonious soul is both temperate and courageous?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>And the inharmonious is cowardly and boorish?</p>
<p>Very true.</p>
<p>And, when a man allows music to play upon him and to pour into his soul
through the funnel of his ears those sweet and soft and melancholy airs of
which we were just now speaking, and his whole life is passed in warbling
and the delights of song; in the first stage of the process the passion or
spirit which is in him is tempered like iron, and made useful, instead of
brittle and useless. But, if he carries on the softening and soothing
process, in the next stage he begins to melt and waste, until he has
wasted away his spirit and cut out the sinews of his soul; and he becomes
a feeble warrior.</p>
<p>Very true.</p>
<p>If the element of spirit is naturally weak in him the change is speedily
accomplished, but if he have a good deal, then the power of music
weakening the spirit renders him excitable;—on the least provocation
he flames up at once, and is speedily extinguished; instead of having
spirit he grows irritable and passionate and is quite impracticable.</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>And so in gymnastics, if a man takes violent exercise and is a great
feeder, and the reverse of a great student of music and philosophy, at
first the high condition of his body fills him with pride and spirit, and
he becomes twice the man that he was.</p>
<p>Certainly.</p>
<p>And what happens? if he do nothing else, and holds no converse with the
Muses, does not even that intelligence which there may be in him, having
no taste of any sort of learning or enquiry or thought or culture, grow
feeble and dull and blind, his mind never waking up or receiving
nourishment, and his senses not being purged of their mists?</p>
<p>True, he said.</p>
<p>And he ends by becoming a hater of philosophy, uncivilized, never using
the weapon of persuasion,—he is like a wild beast, all violence and
fierceness, and knows no other way of dealing; and he lives in all
ignorance and evil conditions, and has no sense of propriety and grace.</p>
<p>That is quite true, he said.</p>
<p>And as there are two principles of human nature, one the spirited and the
other the philosophical, some God, as I should say, has given mankind two
arts answering to them (and only indirectly to the soul and body), in
order that these two principles (like the strings of an instrument) may be
relaxed or drawn tighter until they are duly harmonized.</p>
<p>That appears to be the intention.</p>
<p>And he who mingles music with gymnastic in the fairest proportions, and
best attempers them to the soul, may be rightly called the true musician
and harmonist in a far higher sense than the tuner of the strings.</p>
<p>You are quite right, Socrates.</p>
<p>And such a presiding genius will be always required in our State if the
government is to last.</p>
<p>Yes, he will be absolutely necessary.</p>
<p>Such, then, are our principles of nurture and education: Where would be
the use of going into further details about the dances of our citizens, or
about their hunting and coursing, their gymnastic and equestrian contests?
For these all follow the general principle, and having found that, we
shall have no difficulty in discovering them.</p>
<p>I dare say that there will be no difficulty.</p>
<p>Very good, I said; then what is the next question? Must we not ask who are
to be rulers and who subjects?</p>
<p>Certainly.</p>
<p>There can be no doubt that the elder must rule the younger.</p>
<p>Clearly.</p>
<p>And that the best of these must rule.</p>
<p>That is also clear.</p>
<p>Now, are not the best husbandmen those who are most devoted to husbandry?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>And as we are to have the best of guardians for our city, must they not be
those who have most the character of guardians?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>And to this end they ought to be wise and efficient, and to have a special
care of the State?</p>
<p>True.</p>
<p>And a man will be most likely to care about that which he loves?</p>
<p>To be sure.</p>
<p>And he will be most likely to love that which he regards as having the
same interests with himself, and that of which the good or evil fortune is
supposed by him at any time most to affect his own?</p>
<p>Very true, he replied.</p>
<p>Then there must be a selection. Let us note among the guardians those who
in their whole life show the greatest eagerness to do what is for the good
of their country, and the greatest repugnance to do what is against her
interests.</p>
<p>Those are the right men.</p>
<p>And they will have to be watched at every age, in order that we may see
whether they preserve their resolution, and never, under the influence
either of force or enchantment, forget or cast off their sense of duty to
the State.</p>
<p>How cast off? he said.</p>
<p>I will explain to you, I replied. A resolution may go out of a man's mind
either with his will or against his will; with his will when he gets rid
of a falsehood and learns better, against his will whenever he is deprived
of a truth.</p>
<p>I understand, he said, the willing loss of a resolution; the meaning of
the unwilling I have yet to learn.</p>
<p>Why, I said, do you not see that men are unwillingly deprived of good, and
willingly of evil? Is not to have lost the truth an evil, and to possess
the truth a good? and you would agree that to conceive things as they are
is to possess the truth?</p>
<p>Yes, he replied; I agree with you in thinking that mankind are deprived of
truth against their will.</p>
<p>And is not this involuntary deprivation caused either by theft, or force,
or enchantment?</p>
<p>Still, he replied, I do not understand you.</p>
<p>I fear that I must have been talking darkly, like the tragedians. I only
mean that some men are changed by persuasion and that others forget;
argument steals away the hearts of one class, and time of the other; and
this I call theft. Now you understand me?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Those again who are forced, are those whom the violence of some pain or
grief compels to change their opinion.</p>
<p>I understand, he said, and you are quite right.</p>
<p>And you would also acknowledge that the enchanted are those who change
their minds either under the softer influence of pleasure, or the sterner
influence of fear?</p>
<p>Yes, he said; everything that deceives may be said to enchant.</p>
<p>Therefore, as I was just now saying, we must enquire who are the best
guardians of their own conviction that what they think the interest of the
State is to be the rule of their lives. We must watch them from their
youth upwards, and make them perform actions in which they are most likely
to forget or to be deceived, and he who remembers and is not deceived is
to be selected, and he who fails in the trial is to be rejected. That will
be the way?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>And there should also be toils and pains and conflicts prescribed for
them, in which they will be made to give further proof of the same
qualities.</p>
<p>Very right, he replied.</p>
<p>And then, I said, we must try them with enchantments—that is the
third sort of test—and see what will be their behaviour: like those
who take colts amid noise and tumult to see if they are of a timid nature,
so must we take our youth amid terrors of some kind, and again pass them
into pleasures, and prove them more thoroughly than gold is proved in the
furnace, that we may discover whether they are armed against all
enchantments, and of a noble bearing always, good guardians of themselves
and of the music which they have learned, and retaining under all
circumstances a rhythmical and harmonious nature, such as will be most
serviceable to the individual and to the State. And he who at every age,
as boy and youth and in mature life, has come out of the trial victorious
and pure, shall be appointed a ruler and guardian of the State; he shall
be honoured in life and death, and shall receive sepulture and other
memorials of honour, the greatest that we have to give. But him who fails,
we must reject. I am inclined to think that this is the sort of way in
which our rulers and guardians should be chosen and appointed. I speak
generally, and not with any pretension to exactness.</p>
<p>And, speaking generally, I agree with you, he said.</p>
<p>And perhaps the word 'guardian' in the fullest sense ought to be applied
to this higher class only who preserve us against foreign enemies and
maintain peace among our citizens at home, that the one may not have the
will, or the others the power, to harm us. The young men whom we before
called guardians may be more properly designated auxiliaries and
supporters of the principles of the rulers.</p>
<p>I agree with you, he said.</p>
<p>How then may we devise one of those needful falsehoods of which we lately
spoke—just one royal lie which may deceive the rulers, if that be
possible, and at any rate the rest of the city?</p>
<p>What sort of lie? he said.</p>
<p>Nothing new, I replied; only an old Phoenician tale (Laws) of what has
often occurred before now in other places, (as the poets say, and have
made the world believe,) though not in our time, and I do not know whether
such an event could ever happen again, or could now even be made probable,
if it did.</p>
<p>How your words seem to hesitate on your lips!</p>
<p>You will not wonder, I replied, at my hesitation when you have heard.</p>
<p>Speak, he said, and fear not.</p>
<p>Well then, I will speak, although I really know not how to look you in the
face, or in what words to utter the audacious fiction, which I propose to
communicate gradually, first to the rulers, then to the soldiers, and
lastly to the people. They are to be told that their youth was a dream,
and the education and training which they received from us, an appearance
only; in reality during all that time they were being formed and fed in
the womb of the earth, where they themselves and their arms and
appurtenances were manufactured; when they were completed, the earth,
their mother, sent them up; and so, their country being their mother and
also their nurse, they are bound to advise for her good, and to defend her
against attacks, and her citizens they are to regard as children of the
earth and their own brothers.</p>
<p>You had good reason, he said, to be ashamed of the lie which you were
going to tell.</p>
<p>True, I replied, but there is more coming; I have only told you half.
Citizens, we shall say to them in our tale, you are brothers, yet God has
framed you differently. Some of you have the power of command, and in the
composition of these he has mingled gold, wherefore also they have the
greatest honour; others he has made of silver, to be auxiliaries; others
again who are to be husbandmen and craftsmen he has composed of brass and
iron; and the species will generally be preserved in the children. But as
all are of the same original stock, a golden parent will sometimes have a
silver son, or a silver parent a golden son. And God proclaims as a first
principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which
they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good
guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements
mingle in their offspring; for if the son of a golden or silver parent has
an admixture of brass and iron, then nature orders a transposition of
ranks, and the eye of the ruler must not be pitiful towards the child
because he has to descend in the scale and become a husbandman or artisan,
just as there may be sons of artisans who having an admixture of gold or
silver in them are raised to honour, and become guardians or auxiliaries.
For an oracle says that when a man of brass or iron guards the State, it
will be destroyed. Such is the tale; is there any possibility of making
our citizens believe in it?</p>
<p>Not in the present generation, he replied; there is no way of
accomplishing this; but their sons may be made to believe in the tale, and
their sons' sons, and posterity after them.</p>
<p>I see the difficulty, I replied; yet the fostering of such a belief will
make them care more for the city and for one another. Enough, however, of
the fiction, which may now fly abroad upon the wings of rumour, while we
arm our earth-born heroes, and lead them forth under the command of their
rulers. Let them look round and select a spot whence they can best
suppress insurrection, if any prove refractory within, and also defend
themselves against enemies, who like wolves may come down on the fold from
without; there let them encamp, and when they have encamped, let them
sacrifice to the proper Gods and prepare their dwellings.</p>
<p>Just so, he said.</p>
<p>And their dwellings must be such as will shield them against the cold of
winter and the heat of summer.</p>
<p>I suppose that you mean houses, he replied.</p>
<p>Yes, I said; but they must be the houses of soldiers, and not of
shop-keepers.</p>
<p>What is the difference? he said.</p>
<p>That I will endeavour to explain, I replied. To keep watch-dogs, who, from
want of discipline or hunger, or some evil habit or other, would turn upon
the sheep and worry them, and behave not like dogs but wolves, would be a
foul and monstrous thing in a shepherd?</p>
<p>Truly monstrous, he said.</p>
<p>And therefore every care must be taken that our auxiliaries, being
stronger than our citizens, may not grow to be too much for them and
become savage tyrants instead of friends and allies?</p>
<p>Yes, great care should be taken.</p>
<p>And would not a really good education furnish the best safeguard?</p>
<p>But they are well-educated already, he replied.</p>
<p>I cannot be so confident, my dear Glaucon, I said; I am much more certain
that they ought to be, and that true education, whatever that may be, will
have the greatest tendency to civilize and humanize them in their
relations to one another, and to those who are under their protection.</p>
<p>Very true, he replied.</p>
<p>And not only their education, but their habitations, and all that belongs
to them, should be such as will neither impair their virtue as guardians,
nor tempt them to prey upon the other citizens. Any man of sense must
acknowledge that.</p>
<p>He must.</p>
<p>Then now let us consider what will be their way of life, if they are to
realize our idea of them. In the first place, none of them should have any
property of his own beyond what is absolutely necessary; neither should
they have a private house or store closed against any one who has a mind
to enter; their provisions should be only such as are required by trained
warriors, who are men of temperance and courage; they should agree to
receive from the citizens a fixed rate of pay, enough to meet the expenses
of the year and no more; and they will go to mess and live together like
soldiers in a camp. Gold and silver we will tell them that they have from
God; the diviner metal is within them, and they have therefore no need of
the dross which is current among men, and ought not to pollute the divine
by any such earthly admixture; for that commoner metal has been the source
of many unholy deeds, but their own is undefiled. And they alone of all
the citizens may not touch or handle silver or gold, or be under the same
roof with them, or wear them, or drink from them. And this will be their
salvation, and they will be the saviours of the State. But should they
ever acquire homes or lands or moneys of their own, they will become
housekeepers and husbandmen instead of guardians, enemies and tyrants
instead of allies of the other citizens; hating and being hated, plotting
and being plotted against, they will pass their whole life in much greater
terror of internal than of external enemies, and the hour of ruin, both to
themselves and to the rest of the State, will be at hand. For all which
reasons may we not say that thus shall our State be ordered, and that
these shall be the regulations appointed by us for guardians concerning
their houses and all other matters?</p>
<p>Yes, said Glaucon.</p>
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