<p>Nothing more on that subject, he replied; but I should like to know which
of the governments now existing is in your opinion the one adapted to her.</p>
<p>Not any of them, I said; and that is precisely the accusation which I
bring against them—not one of them is worthy of the philosophic
nature, and hence that nature is warped and estranged;—as the exotic
seed which is sown in a foreign land becomes denaturalized, and is wont to
be overpowered and to lose itself in the new soil, even so this growth of
philosophy, instead of persisting, degenerates and receives another
character. But if philosophy ever finds in the State that perfection which
she herself is, then will be seen that she is in truth divine, and that
all other things, whether natures of men or institutions, are but human;—and
now, I know, that you are going to ask, What that State is:</p>
<p>No, he said; there you are wrong, for I was going to ask another question—whether
it is the State of which we are the founders and inventors, or some other?</p>
<p>Yes, I replied, ours in most respects; but you may remember my saying
before, that some living authority would always be required in the State
having the same idea of the constitution which guided you when as
legislator you were laying down the laws.</p>
<p>That was said, he replied.</p>
<p>Yes, but not in a satisfactory manner; you frightened us by interposing
objections, which certainly showed that the discussion would be long and
difficult; and what still remains is the reverse of easy.</p>
<p>What is there remaining?</p>
<p>The question how the study of philosophy may be so ordered as not to be
the ruin of the State: All great attempts are attended with risk; 'hard is
the good,' as men say.</p>
<p>Still, he said, let the point be cleared up, and the enquiry will then be
complete.</p>
<p>I shall not be hindered, I said, by any want of will, but, if at all, by a
want of power: my zeal you may see for yourselves; and please to remark in
what I am about to say how boldly and unhesitatingly I declare that States
should pursue philosophy, not as they do now, but in a different spirit.</p>
<p>In what manner?</p>
<p>At present, I said, the students of philosophy are quite young; beginning
when they are hardly past childhood, they devote only the time saved from
moneymaking and housekeeping to such pursuits; and even those of them who
are reputed to have most of the philosophic spirit, when they come within
sight of the great difficulty of the subject, I mean dialectic, take
themselves off. In after life when invited by some one else, they may,
perhaps, go and hear a lecture, and about this they make much ado, for
philosophy is not considered by them to be their proper business: at last,
when they grow old, in most cases they are extinguished more truly than
Heracleitus' sun, inasmuch as they never light up again. (Heraclitus said
that the sun was extinguished every evening and relighted every morning.)</p>
<p>But what ought to be their course?</p>
<p>Just the opposite. In childhood and youth their study, and what philosophy
they learn, should be suited to their tender years: during this period
while they are growing up towards manhood, the chief and special care
should be given to their bodies that they may have them to use in the
service of philosophy; as life advances and the intellect begins to
mature, let them increase the gymnastics of the soul; but when the
strength of our citizens fails and is past civil and military duties, then
let them range at will and engage in no serious labour, as we intend them
to live happily here, and to crown this life with a similar happiness in
another.</p>
<p>How truly in earnest you are, Socrates! he said; I am sure of that; and
yet most of your hearers, if I am not mistaken, are likely to be still
more earnest in their opposition to you, and will never be convinced;
Thrasymachus least of all.</p>
<p>Do not make a quarrel, I said, between Thrasymachus and me, who have
recently become friends, although, indeed, we were never enemies; for I
shall go on striving to the utmost until I either convert him and other
men, or do something which may profit them against the day when they live
again, and hold the like discourse in another state of existence.</p>
<p>You are speaking of a time which is not very near.</p>
<p>Rather, I replied, of a time which is as nothing in comparison with
eternity. Nevertheless, I do not wonder that the many refuse to believe;
for they have never seen that of which we are now speaking realized; they
have seen only a conventional imitation of philosophy, consisting of words
artificially brought together, not like these of ours having a natural
unity. But a human being who in word and work is perfectly moulded, as far
as he can be, into the proportion and likeness of virtue—such a man
ruling in a city which bears the same image, they have never yet seen,
neither one nor many of them—do you think that they ever did?</p>
<p>No indeed.</p>
<p>No, my friend, and they have seldom, if ever, heard free and noble
sentiments; such as men utter when they are earnestly and by every means
in their power seeking after truth for the sake of knowledge, while they
look coldly on the subtleties of controversy, of which the end is opinion
and strife, whether they meet with them in the courts of law or in
society.</p>
<p>They are strangers, he said, to the words of which you speak.</p>
<p>And this was what we foresaw, and this was the reason why truth forced us
to admit, not without fear and hesitation, that neither cities nor States
nor individuals will ever attain perfection until the small class of
philosophers whom we termed useless but not corrupt are providentially
compelled, whether they will or not, to take care of the State, and until
a like necessity be laid on the State to obey them; or until kings, or if
not kings, the sons of kings or princes, are divinely inspired with a true
love of true philosophy. That either or both of these alternatives are
impossible, I see no reason to affirm: if they were so, we might indeed be
justly ridiculed as dreamers and visionaries. Am I not right?</p>
<p>Quite right.</p>
<p>If then, in the countless ages of the past, or at the present hour in some
foreign clime which is far away and beyond our ken, the perfected
philosopher is or has been or hereafter shall be compelled by a superior
power to have the charge of the State, we are ready to assert to the
death, that this our constitution has been, and is—yea, and will be
whenever the Muse of Philosophy is queen. There is no impossibility in all
this; that there is a difficulty, we acknowledge ourselves.</p>
<p>My opinion agrees with yours, he said.</p>
<p>But do you mean to say that this is not the opinion of the multitude?</p>
<p>I should imagine not, he replied.</p>
<p>O my friend, I said, do not attack the multitude: they will change their
minds, if, not in an aggressive spirit, but gently and with the view of
soothing them and removing their dislike of over-education, you show them
your philosophers as they really are and describe as you were just now
doing their character and profession, and then mankind will see that he of
whom you are speaking is not such as they supposed—if they view him
in this new light, they will surely change their notion of him, and answer
in another strain. Who can be at enmity with one who loves them, who that
is himself gentle and free from envy will be jealous of one in whom there
is no jealousy? Nay, let me answer for you, that in a few this harsh
temper may be found but not in the majority of mankind.</p>
<p>I quite agree with you, he said.</p>
<p>And do you not also think, as I do, that the harsh feeling which the many
entertain towards philosophy originates in the pretenders, who rush in
uninvited, and are always abusing them, and finding fault with them, who
make persons instead of things the theme of their conversation? and
nothing can be more unbecoming in philosophers than this.</p>
<p>It is most unbecoming.</p>
<p>For he, Adeimantus, whose mind is fixed upon true being, has surely no
time to look down upon the affairs of earth, or to be filled with malice
and envy, contending against men; his eye is ever directed towards things
fixed and immutable, which he sees neither injuring nor injured by one
another, but all in order moving according to reason; these he imitates,
and to these he will, as far as he can, conform himself. Can a man help
imitating that with which he holds reverential converse?</p>
<p>Impossible.</p>
<p>And the philosopher holding converse with the divine order, becomes
orderly and divine, as far as the nature of man allows; but like every one
else, he will suffer from detraction.</p>
<p>Of course.</p>
<p>And if a necessity be laid upon him of fashioning, not only himself, but
human nature generally, whether in States or individuals, into that which
he beholds elsewhere, will he, think you, be an unskilful artificer of
justice, temperance, and every civil virtue?</p>
<p>Anything but unskilful.</p>
<p>And if the world perceives that what we are saying about him is the truth,
will they be angry with philosophy? Will they disbelieve us, when we tell
them that no State can be happy which is not designed by artists who
imitate the heavenly pattern?</p>
<p>They will not be angry if they understand, he said. But how will they draw
out the plan of which you are speaking?</p>
<p>They will begin by taking the State and the manners of men, from which, as
from a tablet, they will rub out the picture, and leave a clean surface.
This is no easy task. But whether easy or not, herein will lie the
difference between them and every other legislator,—they will have
nothing to do either with individual or State, and will inscribe no laws,
until they have either found, or themselves made, a clean surface.</p>
<p>They will be very right, he said.</p>
<p>Having effected this, they will proceed to trace an outline of the
constitution?</p>
<p>No doubt.</p>
<p>And when they are filling in the work, as I conceive, they will often turn
their eyes upwards and downwards: I mean that they will first look at
absolute justice and beauty and temperance, and again at the human copy;
and will mingle and temper the various elements of life into the image of
a man; and this they will conceive according to that other image, which,
when existing among men, Homer calls the form and likeness of God.</p>
<p>Very true, he said.</p>
<p>And one feature they will erase, and another they will put in, until they
have made the ways of men, as far as possible, agreeable to the ways of
God?</p>
<p>Indeed, he said, in no way could they make a fairer picture.</p>
<p>And now, I said, are we beginning to persuade those whom you described as
rushing at us with might and main, that the painter of constitutions is
such an one as we are praising; at whom they were so very indignant
because to his hands we committed the State; and are they growing a little
calmer at what they have just heard?</p>
<p>Much calmer, if there is any sense in them.</p>
<p>Why, where can they still find any ground for objection? Will they doubt
that the philosopher is a lover of truth and being?</p>
<p>They would not be so unreasonable.</p>
<p>Or that his nature, being such as we have delineated, is akin to the
highest good?</p>
<p>Neither can they doubt this.</p>
<p>But again, will they tell us that such a nature, placed under favourable
circumstances, will not be perfectly good and wise if any ever was? Or
will they prefer those whom we have rejected?</p>
<p>Surely not.</p>
<p>Then will they still be angry at our saying, that, until philosophers bear
rule, States and individuals will have no rest from evil, nor will this
our imaginary State ever be realized?</p>
<p>I think that they will be less angry.</p>
<p>Shall we assume that they are not only less angry but quite gentle, and
that they have been converted and for very shame, if for no other reason,
cannot refuse to come to terms?</p>
<p>By all means, he said.</p>
<p>Then let us suppose that the reconciliation has been effected. Will any
one deny the other point, that there may be sons of kings or princes who
are by nature philosophers?</p>
<p>Surely no man, he said.</p>
<p>And when they have come into being will any one say that they must of
necessity be destroyed; that they can hardly be saved is not denied even
by us; but that in the whole course of ages no single one of them can
escape—who will venture to affirm this?</p>
<p>Who indeed!</p>
<p>But, said I, one is enough; let there be one man who has a city obedient
to his will, and he might bring into existence the ideal polity about
which the world is so incredulous.</p>
<p>Yes, one is enough.</p>
<p>The ruler may impose the laws and institutions which we have been
describing, and the citizens may possibly be willing to obey them?</p>
<p>Certainly.</p>
<p>And that others should approve, of what we approve, is no miracle or
impossibility?</p>
<p>I think not.</p>
<p>But we have sufficiently shown, in what has preceded, that all this, if
only possible, is assuredly for the best.</p>
<p>We have.</p>
<p>And now we say not only that our laws, if they could be enacted, would be
for the best, but also that the enactment of them, though difficult, is
not impossible.</p>
<p>Very good.</p>
<p>And so with pain and toil we have reached the end of one subject, but more
remains to be discussed;—how and by what studies and pursuits will
the saviours of the constitution be created, and at what ages are they to
apply themselves to their several studies?</p>
<p>Certainly.</p>
<p>I omitted the troublesome business of the possession of women, and the
procreation of children, and the appointment of the rulers, because I knew
that the perfect State would be eyed with jealousy and was difficult of
attainment; but that piece of cleverness was not of much service to me,
for I had to discuss them all the same. The women and children are now
disposed of, but the other question of the rulers must be investigated
from the very beginning. We were saying, as you will remember, that they
were to be lovers of their country, tried by the test of pleasures and
pains, and neither in hardships, nor in dangers, nor at any other critical
moment were to lose their patriotism—he was to be rejected who
failed, but he who always came forth pure, like gold tried in the
refiner's fire, was to be made a ruler, and to receive honours and rewards
in life and after death. This was the sort of thing which was being said,
and then the argument turned aside and veiled her face; not liking to stir
the question which has now arisen.</p>
<p>I perfectly remember, he said.</p>
<p>Yes, my friend, I said, and I then shrank from hazarding the bold word;
but now let me dare to say—that the perfect guardian must be a
philosopher.</p>
<p>Yes, he said, let that be affirmed.</p>
<p>And do not suppose that there will be many of them; for the gifts which
were deemed by us to be essential rarely grow together; they are mostly
found in shreds and patches.</p>
<p>What do you mean? he said.</p>
<p>You are aware, I replied, that quick intelligence, memory, sagacity,
cleverness, and similar qualities, do not often grow together, and that
persons who possess them and are at the same time high-spirited and
magnanimous are not so constituted by nature as to live orderly and in a
peaceful and settled manner; they are driven any way by their impulses,
and all solid principle goes out of them.</p>
<p>Very true, he said.</p>
<p>On the other hand, those steadfast natures which can better be depended
upon, which in a battle are impregnable to fear and immovable, are equally
immovable when there is anything to be learned; they are always in a
torpid state, and are apt to yawn and go to sleep over any intellectual
toil.</p>
<p>Quite true.</p>
<p>And yet we were saying that both qualities were necessary in those to whom
the higher education is to be imparted, and who are to share in any office
or command.</p>
<p>Certainly, he said.</p>
<p>And will they be a class which is rarely found?</p>
<p>Yes, indeed.</p>
<p>Then the aspirant must not only be tested in those labours and dangers and
pleasures which we mentioned before, but there is another kind of
probation which we did not mention—he must be exercised also in many
kinds of knowledge, to see whether the soul will be able to endure the
highest of all, or will faint under them, as in any other studies and
exercises.</p>
<p>Yes, he said, you are quite right in testing him. But what do you mean by
the highest of all knowledge?</p>
<p>You may remember, I said, that we divided the soul into three parts; and
distinguished the several natures of justice, temperance, courage, and
wisdom?</p>
<p>Indeed, he said, if I had forgotten, I should not deserve to hear more.</p>
<p>And do you remember the word of caution which preceded the discussion of
them?</p>
<p>To what do you refer?</p>
<p>We were saying, if I am not mistaken, that he who wanted to see them in
their perfect beauty must take a longer and more circuitous way, at the
end of which they would appear; but that we could add on a popular
exposition of them on a level with the discussion which had preceded. And
you replied that such an exposition would be enough for you, and so the
enquiry was continued in what to me seemed to be a very inaccurate manner;
whether you were satisfied or not, it is for you to say.</p>
<p>Yes, he said, I thought and the others thought that you gave us a fair
measure of truth.</p>
<p>But, my friend, I said, a measure of such things which in any degree falls
short of the whole truth is not fair measure; for nothing imperfect is the
measure of anything, although persons are too apt to be contented and
think that they need search no further.</p>
<p>Not an uncommon case when people are indolent.</p>
<p>Yes, I said; and there cannot be any worse fault in a guardian of the
State and of the laws.</p>
<p>True.</p>
<p>The guardian then, I said, must be required to take the longer circuit,
and toil at learning as well as at gymnastics, or he will never reach the
highest knowledge of all which, as we were just now saying, is his proper
calling.</p>
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